@Jagged85 Whatever mathematical knowledge Arabs inherited came from two sources–the Hindus and the Greeks. The scholars of the Darul Hukarna of Mamun did the largest amount of work for the advancement of the sciences and arts by the Arabs. Abu Abdulla Muhammad Ibrahim-al-Fazari in 772-773 A.D. translated Sidhanta from Sanskrit into Arabic, which, according to G. Sarton provided “possibly the vehicle by means of which the Hindu numerals were transmitted from India
An Arabic man founded Algebra. Indians founded the modern numerals. All cultures from all around the world assisted and made us what we are today. No one culture solely determined what we are.
@rey6tanako I know math is useful for many things, of course I need to know the basics but I hate learning advanced pointless stuff I’ll probably never use. I’m not planning on getting a career that uses complicated math
Nice try but no cigar. The so-called “Arabic numerals” is simply a Western name. The Arabs themselves still call it “Hindu numerals” to this day. Unlike the Greeks who rarely ever mentioned their precursors(i.e. “stealiing”), the Arabs were more than happy to give credit to earlier civilizations.
Why don’t you tell your buddies to stop claiming that the Muslims “stole” from others? The historical evidence suggests that, if anyone did any “stealing”, it’s the Greeks & Romans, not the Muslims. The difference in attitude is that the Muslims gave credit to whatever sources they drew from, whereas the Greeks & Romans rarely ever gave credit to their original soruces.
Likewise, Al-Khwarizmi’s Al-Jabr, Alhazen’s Book of Optics, etc. were all original Arabic-language works light-years ahead of anything the Greeks, Romans or anyone else had come up with. Whereas Greek math was entirely geometric (like the Egyptians before them), Islamic math was entirely abstract. Muslims invented the fields of abstract & dynamic algebra, inductive methods, differential calculus, and much more.
Why did the Greeks & Romans often fail to give credit where credit is due? Why did they fail to cite their inspirations? Why did modern historians have to independently discover most Egyptian and Babylonian achievements? In contrast, the Arabs and Persians always cited their sources of inspiration. We know so much about Greek & Roman achievements because of Arabic citations to them. In contrast, the Greeks & Romans rarely ever gave any credit to the Egyptians & Babylonians.
@Jagged85 As for the Muslims, well, they were heavily borrowing (stealing) from the Greeks, and the so called Arabic numerals were taken (stolen) from the Indians. Since the Muslims overran much of the non-Muslim centers of the Mediterranean, the acquired (stole) much of what had until then been the body of western knowledge in Greco-Roman cities like Alexandria and Constantinople. Btw, Europeans got these Indian numerals through Maroccans, not Arabs, and they were never popularized among Arabs.
@Jagged85 …Apart from math, Greeks invented democratic government, realistic art, produced a whole body of never before seen philosophy through the likes of Socrates, Plato and Aristotel. Like A. Whitehead noted, western philosophy is just a footnote to Plato. Greeks were in so many ways unique to anything that came before them and that came long after them, that to claim they “stole” from others is either the claim of a historic illiterate or a person with sinister motives…
@Jagged85 …Euclid’s Elements, Archimedes’ The Methods, etc, were all original Greek works light-years ahead of anything the Babylonians, Egyptians or anyone else for that matter had come up with. Greeks invented the field of abstract mathematics, the field of logical deductions, the concept of infinitesimals (precursor to calculus), they in all essence founded the field of geometry…
@Jagged85 Making uneducated and generic claims that Greeks and Romans “stole” from the Egyptians and Babylonians should disqualify you automatically from any serious discussion, because such a claim is simply embarassing to make. Roman and Greek math are light-years apart and lumping them together requires a serious lack of elementary historic knowledge…
The point is that from the early 20th century, many mathematical achievements that were believed to have been Greek discoveries (then known as the “Greek miracle”) were proven to be Egyptian/Babylonian discoveries. That doesn’t mean Greeks didn’t take mathematics to a higher level (as they did), but it means they didn’t have an exhaustive system of citation crediting their Egyptian/Babylonian sources. These sources had to be independently discovered in the early 20th century.
@Jagged85 I agree with your views. Mathemaics has a long history. Many people contributed to build mathematics. For me it does not matter wether they are arabs, Indians , Persians , Egyptions, Greeks and other cultuers and civilisations. At the end of the day admire them all because it is not easy to come up with ideas.
the system shown at 4:58 onwards is cool… can anyone explain the rationale behind it?
btw, these are world contributions, never meant to be regional… so stop this argument.
Greeks didn’t claim the achievements of the Egyptians or Babylonians, but they used them and organized them. In fact, ancient Greeks managed to take mathematics to another level-higher of course.And Jagged85, if you want to judge you have to read first. There are books of science history of ancient Greece, written by ancient Greeks, who say “Greeks know this from this country,that from the other country, etc”. So, do me a favor, and read some books to broaden your mind
12time 15 =6 times 30. Whoa, I never knew that, amazing.
@Jagged85 Whatever mathematical knowledge Arabs inherited came from two sources–the Hindus and the Greeks. The scholars of the Darul Hukarna of Mamun did the largest amount of work for the advancement of the sciences and arts by the Arabs. Abu Abdulla Muhammad Ibrahim-al-Fazari in 772-773 A.D. translated Sidhanta from Sanskrit into Arabic, which, according to G. Sarton provided “possibly the vehicle by means of which the Hindu numerals were transmitted from India
An Arabic man founded Algebra. Indians founded the modern numerals. All cultures from all around the world assisted and made us what we are today. No one culture solely determined what we are.
math sux!
@rey6tanako I know math is useful for many things, of course I need to know the basics but I hate learning advanced pointless stuff I’ll probably never use. I’m not planning on getting a career that uses complicated math
@fasfsdfasd why/if you sit that is math.if you buy that is math…everything is math.so how could you say math sucks?there is no life if there no math.
IRAN
IRAN
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IRAN
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OR AS SOME PEOPLE USED TO CALL IT PERSIA INVENTED MATH
@unapologeticmind
Nice try but no cigar. The so-called “Arabic numerals” is simply a Western name. The Arabs themselves still call it “Hindu numerals” to this day. Unlike the Greeks who rarely ever mentioned their precursors(i.e. “stealiing”), the Arabs were more than happy to give credit to earlier civilizations.
@unapologeticmind
Why don’t you tell your buddies to stop claiming that the Muslims “stole” from others? The historical evidence suggests that, if anyone did any “stealing”, it’s the Greeks & Romans, not the Muslims. The difference in attitude is that the Muslims gave credit to whatever sources they drew from, whereas the Greeks & Romans rarely ever gave credit to their original soruces.
@unapologeticmind
Likewise, Al-Khwarizmi’s Al-Jabr, Alhazen’s Book of Optics, etc. were all original Arabic-language works light-years ahead of anything the Greeks, Romans or anyone else had come up with. Whereas Greek math was entirely geometric (like the Egyptians before them), Islamic math was entirely abstract. Muslims invented the fields of abstract & dynamic algebra, inductive methods, differential calculus, and much more.
@unapologeticmind
Why did the Greeks & Romans often fail to give credit where credit is due? Why did they fail to cite their inspirations? Why did modern historians have to independently discover most Egyptian and Babylonian achievements? In contrast, the Arabs and Persians always cited their sources of inspiration. We know so much about Greek & Roman achievements because of Arabic citations to them. In contrast, the Greeks & Romans rarely ever gave any credit to the Egyptians & Babylonians.
Math sucks
@SiriusDorcas
Rude remarks in general (not merely religion).
Lets try to make a better society, by having open, balanced discussions that don’t involve making playground jibes at someone.
Wow pretty cool.
All this criticism makes me laugh, why don’t you do the whole entire world a favour, instead of criticising.
Go make an informative, balanced video that might teach the rest of the world about mathematics and numerology.
All you’re doing here is insulting and making rather rude remarks to someone because of their religion.
An educated person should know that every society borrowed and developed concepts from other societies.
Its not stealing; its called developing.
Wow pretty cool.
All this criticism makes me laugh, why don’t you do the whole entire world a favour, instead of criticising.
Go make an informative, balanced video that might teach the rest of the world about mathematics and numerology.
All you’re doing here is insulting and making rather rude remarks to someone because of their religion.
An educated person should know that every society borrowed and developed concepts from other societies.
Its not stealing; its called developing.
@Jagged85 As for the Muslims, well, they were heavily borrowing (stealing) from the Greeks, and the so called Arabic numerals were taken (stolen) from the Indians. Since the Muslims overran much of the non-Muslim centers of the Mediterranean, the acquired (stole) much of what had until then been the body of western knowledge in Greco-Roman cities like Alexandria and Constantinople. Btw, Europeans got these Indian numerals through Maroccans, not Arabs, and they were never popularized among Arabs.
@Jagged85 …Apart from math, Greeks invented democratic government, realistic art, produced a whole body of never before seen philosophy through the likes of Socrates, Plato and Aristotel. Like A. Whitehead noted, western philosophy is just a footnote to Plato. Greeks were in so many ways unique to anything that came before them and that came long after them, that to claim they “stole” from others is either the claim of a historic illiterate or a person with sinister motives…
@Jagged85 …Euclid’s Elements, Archimedes’ The Methods, etc, were all original Greek works light-years ahead of anything the Babylonians, Egyptians or anyone else for that matter had come up with. Greeks invented the field of abstract mathematics, the field of logical deductions, the concept of infinitesimals (precursor to calculus), they in all essence founded the field of geometry…
@Jagged85 Making uneducated and generic claims that Greeks and Romans “stole” from the Egyptians and Babylonians should disqualify you automatically from any serious discussion, because such a claim is simply embarassing to make. Roman and Greek math are light-years apart and lumping them together requires a serious lack of elementary historic knowledge…
@ioanna1988
The point is that from the early 20th century, many mathematical achievements that were believed to have been Greek discoveries (then known as the “Greek miracle”) were proven to be Egyptian/Babylonian discoveries. That doesn’t mean Greeks didn’t take mathematics to a higher level (as they did), but it means they didn’t have an exhaustive system of citation crediting their Egyptian/Babylonian sources. These sources had to be independently discovered in the early 20th century.
@Jagged85 I agree with your views. Mathemaics has a long history. Many people contributed to build mathematics. For me it does not matter wether they are arabs, Indians , Persians , Egyptions, Greeks and other cultuers and civilisations. At the end of the day admire them all because it is not easy to come up with ideas.
thank you for giving the islam its credit of share of math thank you
Wasnt the Arabs or Iranians invented algebra and quadratic equation that we use today?Why is it not mention here?
the system shown at 4:58 onwards is cool… can anyone explain the rationale behind it?
btw, these are world contributions, never meant to be regional… so stop this argument.
Greeks didn’t claim the achievements of the Egyptians or Babylonians, but they used them and organized them. In fact, ancient Greeks managed to take mathematics to another level-higher of course.And Jagged85, if you want to judge you have to read first. There are books of science history of ancient Greece, written by ancient Greeks, who say “Greeks know this from this country,that from the other country, etc”. So, do me a favor, and read some books to broaden your mind